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June 27th, 2014 05:14 PM
Harsh Pandit
Tata Consultancy Services Aptitude Question Paper

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Paper : TCS Placement Paper Pattern (Only Aptitude)
1) If log 0.317=0.3332 and log 0.318=0.3364 then find log 0.319 ?

Sol) log 0.317=0.3332 and log 0.318=0.3364, then
log 0.319=log0.318+(log0.318-log0.317) = 0.3396

2) A box of 150 packets consists of 1kg packets and 2kg packets. Total weight of box is 264kg. How many 2kg packets are there ?

Sol) x= 2 kg Packs
y= 1 kg packs
x + y = 150 .......... Eqn 1
2x + y = 264 .......... Eqn 2
Solve the Simultaneous equation; x = 114
so, y = 36

ANS : Number of 2 kg Packs = 114.

3) My flight takes of at 2am from a place at 18N 10E and landed 10 Hrs later at a place with coordinates 36N70W. What is the local time when my plane landed?

a) 6:00 am
b) 6:40am
c) 7:40
d) 7:00
e) 8:00

Sol) The destination place is 80 degree west to the starting place. Hence the time difference between these two places is 5 hour 20 min. (=24hr*80/360).
When the flight landed, the time at the starting place is 12 noon (2 AM + 10 hours).
Hence, the time at the destination place is 12 noon - 5:20 hours = 6: 40 AM

4) A plane moves from 9?N40?E to 9?N40?W. If the plane starts at 10 am and takes 8 hours to reach the destination, find the local arrival time ?

Sol) Since it is moving from east to west longitide we need to add both
ie,40+40=80
multiply the ans by 4
=>80*4=320min
convert this min to hours ie, 5hrs 33min
It takes 8hrs totally . So 8-5hr 30 min=2hr 30min
So the ans is 10am+2hr 30 min
=>ans is 12:30 it will reach

5) The size of the bucket is N kb. The bucket fills at the rate of 0.1 kb per millisecond. A programmer sends a program to receiver. There it waits for 10 milliseconds. And response will be back to programmer in 20 milliseconds. How much time the program takes to get a response back to the programmer, after it is sent? Please tell me the answer with explanation.

Sol) see it doesn't matter that wat the time is being taken to fill the bucket.after reaching program it waits there for 10ms and back to the programmer in 20 ms.then total time to get the response is 20ms +10 ms=30ms...it's so simple....

6) A file is transferred from one location to another in 'buckets'. The size of the bucket is 10 kilobytes. Each bucket gets filled at the rate of 0.0001 kilobytes per millisecond. The transmission time from sender to receiver is 10 milliseconds per bucket. After the receipt of the bucket the receiver sends an acknowledgement that reaches sender in 100 milliseconds. Assuming no error during transmission, write a formula to calculate the time taken in seconds to successfully complete the transfer of a file of size N kilobytes.

(n/1000)*(n/10)*10+(n/100)....as i hv calculated...~~!not 100% sure

7) A fisherman's day is rated as good if he catches 9 fishes, fair if 7 fishes and bad if 5 fishes. He catches 53 fishes in a week n had all good, fair n bad days in the week. So how many good, fair n bad days did the fisher man had in the week

Ans:4 good, 1 fair n 2 bad days

Sol) Go to river catch fish
4*9=36
7*1=7
2*5=10
36+7+10=53...
take what is given 53
good days means --- 9 fishes so 53/9=4(remainder=17) if u assume 5 then there is no chance for bad days.
fair days means ----- 7 fishes so remaining 17 --- 17/7=1(remainder=10) if u assume 2 then there is no chance for bad days.
bad days means -------5 fishes so remaining 10---10/5=2days.
Ans: 4 good, 1 fair, 2bad. ==== total 7 days.

x+y+z=7--------- eq1
9*x+7*y+5*z=53 -------eq2
multiply eq 1 by 9,
9*x+9*y+9*z=35 -------------eq3
from eq2 and eq3
2*y+4*z=10-----eq4
since all x,y and z are integer i sud put a integer value of y such that z sud be integer in eq 4 .....and ther will be two value y=1 or 3 then z = 2 or 1 from eq 4

for first y=1,z=2 then from eq1 x= 4
so 9*4+1*7+2*5=53.... satisfied
now for second y=3 z=1 then from eq1 x=3
so 9*3+3*7+1*5=53 ......satisfied
so finally there are two solution of this question
(x,y,z)=(4,1,2) and (3,3,1)...

8) Y catches 5 times more fishes than X. If total number of fishes caught by X and Y is 42, then number of fishes caught by X?

Sol) Let no. of fish x catches=p
no. caught by y =r
r=5p.
r+p=42
then p=7,r=35

9) Three companies are working independently and receiving the savings 20%, 30%, 40%. If the companies work combinely, what will be their net savings?

suppose total income is 100 http:/
so amount x is getting is 80
y is 70
z =60
total=210

but total money is 300
300-210=90
so they are getting 90 rs less
90 is 30% of 300 so they r getting 30% discount

10) The ratio of incomes of C and D is 3:4.the ratio of their expenditures is 4:5. Find the ratio of their savings if the savings of C is one fourths of his income?

Sol) incomes:3:4
expenditures:4:5
3x-4y=1/4(3x)
12x-16y=3x
9x=16y
y=9x/16
(3x-4(9x/16))/((4x-5(9x/16)))
ans:12/19

11) If G(0) = -1 G(1)= 1 and G(N)=G(N-1) - G(N-2) then what is the value of G(6)?

Ans: -1

bcoz g(2)=g(1)-g(0)=1+1=2
g(3)=1
g(4)=-1
g(5)=-2
g(6)=-1

12) If A can copy 50 pages in 10 hours and A and B together can copy 70 pages in 10 hours, how much time does B takes to copy 26 pages?

Sol) A can copy 50 pages in 10 hrs.
A can copy 5 pages in 1hr.(50/10)
now A & B can copy 70 pages in 10hrs.
thus, B can copy 90 pages in 10 hrs.[eqn. is (50+x)/2=70, where x--> no. of pages B can copy in 10 hrs.]
so, B can copy 9 pages in 1hr.
therefore, to copy 26 pages B will need almost 3hrs.
since in 3hrs B can copy 27 pages.

13) what's the answer for that : A, B and C are 8 bit no's. They are as follows:

A -> 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 1
B -> 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 1
C -> 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 0 ( - =minus, u=union)

Find ((A - C) u B) =?

To find A-C, We will find 2's compliment of C and them add it with A,
That will give us (A-C)
2's compliment of C=1's compliment of C+1
=11000101+1=11000110
A-C=11000101+11000110
=10001001

Now (A-C) U B is .OR. logic operation on (A-C) and B
10001001 .OR . 00110011
The answer is = 10111011,
Whose decimal equivalent is 187.

14) One circular array is given(means memory allocation tales place in circular fashion) diamension(9X7) and sarting add. is 3000, What is the address of (2,3)........

Sol) it's a 9x7 int array so it reqiure a 126 bytes for storing.b'ze integer value need 2 byes of memory allocation. and starting add is 3000
so starting add of 2x3 will be 3012.

15) In a two-dimensional array, X (9, 7), with each element occupying 4 bytes of memory, with the address of the first element X (1, 1) is 3000, find the address of X (8, 5).

Sol) initial x (1,1) = 3000 u hav to find from x(8,1)so u have x(1,1),x(1,2) ... x(7,7) = so u have totally 7 * 7 = 49 elementsu need to find for x(8,5) ? here we have 5 elements each element have 4 bytes : (49 + 5 -1) * 4 = 212 -----( -1 is to deduct the 1 element ) 3000 + 212 = 3212

16) Which of the following is power of 3

a) 2345
b) 9875
c) 6504
d) 9833

17) The size of a program is N. And the memory occupied by the program is given by M = square root of 100N. If the size of the program is increased by 1% then how much memory now occupied ?

Sol) M=sqrt(100N)
N is increased by 1%
therefore new value of N=N + (N/100)
=101N/100
M=sqrt(100 * (101N/100) )
Hence, we get M=sqrt(101 * N)

18)
1)SCOOTER --------- AUTOMOBILE--- A. PART OF

2.OXYGEN----------- WATER ------- B. A Type of

3.SHOP STAFF------- FITTERS------ C. NOT A TYPE OF

4. BUG -------------REPTILE------ D. A SUPERSET OF

1)B
2)A
3)D
4)C

19) A bus started from bustand at 8.00a m and after 30 min staying at destination, it returned back to the bustand. the destination is 27 miles from the bustand. the speed of the bus 50 percent fast speed. at what time it returns to the bustand

this is the step by step solution:
a bus cover 27 mile with 18 mph in =27/18= 1 hour 30 min. and it wait at stand =30 min.
after this speed of return increase by 50% so 50%of 18 mph=9mph
Total speed of returnig=18+9=27
Then in return it take 27/27=1 hour
then total time in joureny=1+1:30+00:30 =3 hour
so it will come at 8+3 hour=11 a.m.
So Ans==11 a.m

20) In two dimensional array X(7,9) each element occupies 2 bytes of memory.If the address of first element X(1,1)is 1258 then what will be the address of the element X(5,8) ?

Sol) Here, the address of first element x[1][1] is 1258 and also 2 byte of memory is given. now, we have to solve the address of element x[5][8], therefore, 1258+ 5*8*2 = 1258+80 = 1338 so the answer is 1338.

Tata Consultancy Services Aptitude Question Paper

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__________________________________________________ ________________
Online Test –Computer based (No OMR)
Two Sections
? Aptitude Part -
(1) Verbal (20 mins)
(2) Reasoning (40 mins)
? Psychometric Test. (30 mins)
Only if you clear the first Aptitude Part, You will be allowed to take the Psychometric
test. I found the Reasoning part very easy but tumbled at the Verbal part. Many
previous Questions were repeated in reasoning part. But in Verbal part only one word
was repeated for me. Since it was a computer-based exam, you get questions from a
huge database and each get different questions. Infact I was prepared for the
psychometric part too but failed in the aptitude part (possibly only due to the verbal
part). I found the psychometric questions exactly same as that of given in the
chetana group. (I saw them from my neighbour).
Verbal Part
SYNONYMS AND ANTONYMS. – 10 each.
I had mugged up all the words available in the previous questions in the Files section
of Chetana Group. Based on my experience, there is no other sure way than
mugging up the 3500 wordlist from GRE Barrons Book!!
COMPREHENSION PASSAGE WITH BLANKS
A very tough and boring passage with 6 blank spaces. Most like me didn’t
understand what they meant.
6 questions – select the appropriate sentence for each blank space from a list of 9
sentence . Whew! Not easy as they sound.
A READING COMPREHENSION PASSAGE.
A passage on Shares and buying shares through the Internet. Questions based on
this passage.
REASONING
•Find the missing no in the series.
•Find the odd one out. – one has to strike out from a list of names of OSes and
other a list of databases.
•Find the singular matrix of the given matrices.
•Find the group of no.s with maximum standard deviation.
•In the word ORGANISATIONAL, if the first and second, third and forth, forth
and fifth, fifth and sixth words are interchanged up to the last letter, what
would be the tenth letter from right? Ans: I
•In Madras, temperature at noon varies according to -t^2/6 + 4t + 3, where t is
elapsed time. Find the percentage difference in temperature b/w 4 and 9 pm.
•Something like the efficiency of 3 machines is individually 20 , 30, 40 %. Find
the net efficacy if they are working separately.
•Given the length of the 3 sides of a triangle. Find the one that is impossible?
(HINT: sum of smaller 2 sides is greater than the other one which is larger)
•(Momentum*Velocity)/(Acceleration * distance) find units. Ans: Mass
•My flight takes of at 2am from a place at 18N 10E and landed 10 Hrs later at a
place with coordinates 36N70W. What is the local time when my plane
landed. a) 6:00 am b) 6:40am c)7:40 d)7:00 e)8:00
•Match the following with Square - Polygon , sentence – paragraph etc
•A man, a woman, and a child can do a piece of work in 6 days. Man only can
do it in 24 days. Woman can do it in 16 days and in how many days child can
do the same work?
•Values like G (1) , G(-1) etc and a function of G(N) given, Find G( 4) ?
•Coding problem: Each letter is 3 backwards – The answer was QUICK .
•A graph given, find the relation.
•In a two-dimensional array, X (9, 7), with each element occupying 4 bytes of
memory, with the address of the first element X (1, 1) is 3000; find the address
of X (2, 5).
•In which of the system, decimal number (a no given) is equal to (another
number) ?
•A question with company and power plant near to a river. Cost of laying
cables? (Something different from the previous questions)
•Number of faces, vertices and edges of a cube ? ans 6 8 12
•A bar graph question of no of distributors and market share of a company
.Questions like if this no of distributors left the company , find the percentage
increase in the no of distributors etc.
•Questions based on a Venn- diagram of Football , Hockey and Cricket
players.
Critical Reasoning involved 3 sets of questions.
(1) A group of ministers and prime minister sitting .The position of Ministers from
the Prime minister based on their ranks. A group of statements to identify their
positions and portfolios. Questions based on them.
(2) A group of cities A, B, C, D, E, F. Statements explaining their geographical
positions like A is west of D and north of F etc. Questions based on them .
(3) The same question given in GRE Barrons Book page 495 (12th Edition) Model
Test 2 Section 6. – The one with Byram and Adoniram as code clerks in
Pentagon and working as double agents.
PSYCHOMETRY TEST
1. You start to work on a project with great deal of enthusiasm.
2. You would rather plan an activity than take part in it.
3. You have more than once taken lead in organizing project or a group of some
kind.
4. You like to entertain guests.
5. Your interests change quickly from one thing to another.
6. When you eat a meal with others, you are usually one of the last to finish.
7. You believe in the idea that we should " eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we
die."
8. When you find that something you have bought is defective, you hesitate to
demand an exchange or a
refund.
9. You find it easy to find new acquaintances.
10. You are sometimes bubbling over with energy and sometimes very sluggish.
11. You are happiest when you get involved in some projects that calls for rapid
action.
12. Other people think of you as being very serious minded.
13. In being thrown by chance with a stranger, you wait for the person to introduce
himself or herself.
14. You like to take part in many social activities.
15. You sometimes feel "just miserable" for no good reason at all.
16. You are often so much " on the go" that sooner or later you may wear yourself
out.
17. You like parties you attend to be lively.
18. If you hold an opinion that is radically different that expressed by a lecturer, you
are likely to tell the
person about it either during or after the lecture.
19. It is difficult for you to chat about things in general with people.
20. You give little thought to your failures after they are passed.
21. You often wonder where others get all the excess energy they seem to have.
22. You are inclined to stop to think things over before you act.
23. You avoid arguing over a price with a clerk or sales person.
24. You would dislike very much to work alone in some alone place.
25. You often find it difficult to go to sleep at night because you keep thinking of what
happened during the
day.
26. You find yourself hurrying to get to places even when there is plenty of time.
27. You like work that requires considerable attention to details.
28. You are satisfied to let some one else take the lead in group activities.
29. You enjoy getting acquainted with people.
30. It takes a lot to get you emotionally stirred up or excited.
31. You work more slowly and deliberately than most people of your sex and age.
32. You are a carefree individual.
33. When people do not play fair you hesitate to say anything about it to them.
34. It bothers you to have people watch you at your work.
35. You have usually been optimistic about your future.
36. You like to have plenty of time to stop and rest.
37. You take life very seriously.
38. You enjoy applying for a job in person.
39. You would like to be a host or hostess for parties at club.
40. You often feel uncomfortable or uneasy.
41. You are the kind of person who is "on the go" all the time.
42. You often crave excitement.
43. The thought of making a speech frightens you.
44. You find it easy to start conversation with strangers.
45. You often feel guilty without a very good reason for it.
46. People think you are a very energetic person.
47. You sometimes make quick decisions that you later wish you hadn't made.
48. You find it difficult to ask people for money or other donations, even for a cause
in which you are
interested.
49. You are so naturally friendly that people immediately feel at ease with you.
50. You daydream a great deal.
51. You are quick in your actions.
52. You have a habit of starting things and then losing interest in them.
53. When you were a child many of your playmates naturally expected you to be the
leader.
54. You sometimes avoid social contacts for fear of doing or saying the wrong thing.
55. You have frequent ups and downs in mood, sometimes with and sometimes
without apparent cause.
56. You always seem to have plenty of vigour and vitality.
57. It is difficult for you to understand people who get very concerned about things.
58. When a clerk in a store waits on others who come after you, you call his or her
attention to the fact.
59. You would be very unhappy if you were prevented from making numerous social
contacts.
60. There are times when your future looks very dark.
61. You sometimes wish that people would slow down a bit and give you a chance to
catch up.
62. Many of your friends think you take your work too seriously.
63. You hesitate to walk into a meeting when you know that everyone's eye will be
upon you.
64. You limit your friendships mostly to members of your own sex.
65. You almost always feel well and strong.
66. You seem to lack the drive necessary to get as much as other people do.
67. You make decisions on the spur of the moment.
68. You are rather good at bluffing when you find yourself in difficulty.
69. After being introduced to someone , you just cannot think of things to say to make
good conversation.
70. You feel lonesome even when with other people.
71. You are able to work for unusually long hours without feeling tired.
72. You often act on the first thought that comes into your head.
73. At the scene of an accident, you take an active part in helping out.
74. You have difficulty in making new friends.
75. Your mood often changes from happiness to sadness or vice versa without
knowing why.
76. You talk more slowly than most people.
77. You like to play practical jokes upon others.
78. You take the lead in putting life into a dull party.
79. You would like to belong to as many clubs and social organizations as possible.
80. There are times when your mind seems to work very slowly and other times when
it works very rapidly.
81. You like to do things slowly and deliberately.
82. You are a happy-go-lucky individual.
83. When you are served stale or inferior food in a restaurant, you say nothing about
it.
84. You would rather apply for a job by writing a letter than by going through with a
personal interview.
85. You are often in low spirits.
86. You are inclined to rush from one activity to another without pausing enough for
rest.
87. You are so concerned about the future that you do not get as much fun out of the
present as you might.
88. When you are attracted to a person whom you have not met earlier you make an
active attempt to get
acquainted even though it may be quite difficult.
89. You are inclined to limit your acquaintances to select few
90. you seldom give your past mistakes a second thought.
91. You are less energetic than many people you know.
92. You often stop to analyzed your thoughts and feelings.
93. You speak out in meetings to oppose those whom you feel sure are wrong.
94. You are so shy it bothers you.
95. You are sometimes bothered by having a useless thought come into your mind
over and over.
96. You get things in hurry.
97. It is difficult for you to understand how some people can be so unconcerned
about the future.
98. You lie to sell things (i.e. to act as a sales person)
99. You are often "Life of the Party".
100. You find daydreaming very enjoyable.
101. At work or at play other people find it hard to keep up with the pace you set.
102. You can listen to a lecture without feeling restless.
103. You would rather work for a good boss than for yourself.
104. You can express yourself more easily in speech than in writing.
105. You keep in fairly uniform spirits.
106. You dislike to be hurried in your work.
107. You sometimes find yourself "crossing bridges before you come to them".
108. You find it somewhat difficult to say "no" to a sales person who tries to sell you
something you do not
really want.
109. There are only a few friends with whom you can relax and have a good time.
110. You usually keep cheerful in spite of trouble.
111. People sometimes tell you to "slow down" or "take it easy".
112. You are one of those who drink or smoke more than they know they should.
113. When you think you recognize people you see in a public place, you ask them
whether you have met
them before.
114. You prefer to work alone.
115. Disappointment affect you so little that you seldom think about them twice.
116. You are slow and deliberate in movements.
117. You like wild enthusiasm, sometimes to a point bordering on rowdyism at a
football or baseball game.
118. You feel self conscious in the presence of important people.
119. People think of you as being a very social type of person.
120. You have often lost sleep over your worries.
121. You can turn out a large amount of work in a short time.
122. You keep at a task until it is done, even after nearly everyone else has given
up.
123. You can think of a good excuse when you need one.
124. Other people say that it is difficult to get to know you well.
125. You daydreams are often about things that can never come true.
126. You often run upstairs taking two steps at a time.
127. You seldom let your responsibility interfere with your having a good time.
128. You like to take on important responsibilities such as organizing a new business.
129. You have hesitated to make or to accept "dates" because of shyness.
130. Your mood is very easily influenced by people around you.
131. Others are often amazed by the amount of work you turn out.
132. You generally feel as though you haven't a care in the world.
133. You find it difficult to get rid of sales person whom you do not care to listen or
give your time.
134. You are a listener rather than a talker in a social conversation.
135. You almost always feel that life is very much worth living.
136. It irritates you to have to wait at a crossing for a long freight train to pass.
137. You usually say what you feel like saying at the moment.
138. You like to speak in public.
139. You like to be with people.
140. You generally keep cool and think clearly in exciting situations.
141. Other people regard you as a lively individual.
142. When you get angry, if you let yourself go, you feel better.
143. You seek to avoid all trouble with other people.
144. People seem to enjoy being with you.
145. You sometimes feel listless and tired for no good reason.
146. It is hard to understand why many people are so slow and get so little done.
147. You are fond of betting on horse races and games, whether you can afford it or
not.
148. If someone you know has been spreading untrue and bad stories about you, you
see the person as
soon as possible and have a talk about it.
149. Shyness keep you from being as popular as you should be.
150. You are generally free from worry about possible misfortunes.
The following help (taken form Chetana group) will help you to present yourself as an
leader ,energetic , social , serious about work etc !!!!!
PSYCHOMETRY GROUPING
The 150 questions are grouped depending on the nature of the question. I would like
to clearly state that this version has no guarantee to be the correct version. Actually
some 30/150 questions fall in to many groups and the line differentiating them is very
thin. I have tried my best to group them.
Talking about the groups- they are 11 in number. As I have mentioned- this is not the
only correct version- but this can be one. So if u feel u can group them more finer u
can subdivide them in to many more.
I would advise u strictly to go through the whole set of groups and define urselvesthe
key to psychometric test is to define who u are and then start looking in to deeply
the questions.
Each group represents a character or personality- u will decide which of the following
attributes u would like to include in ur personality.
GROUP 1 LEADERSHIP QUALITIES
2 3 28 39 53 73 103 128
GROUP 2 SOCIABLE NATURE
9 13 14 24 29 44 49 54 59 64 70 74 79 88 89 109 114 119 139
GROUP 3 BALANCED PSYCHE people who are balanced- not wavery in their
moods etc.. etc…
10 15 16 35 40 41 45 52 55 60 65 75 80 95 105 130 145 148
GROUP 4 DAYDREAMERS
50 100 107 125
GROUP 5 PATIENCE AND ATTRIBUTE OF TAKING RID=GHT DECISIONS
AFTER CAREFUL ANALYSIS
22 27 47 67 72 86 92 96 102 112 117 126 134 136 137 140 142 147
GROUP 6 EASYGOING AND CAREFREE NATURED PERSONALITIES
20 25 32 57 68 77 82 87 90 98 115 123 127 132 135 150
GROUP 7 ENTHUSIASTIC PERSONALITIES
17 42 66 78 85 99 110 141 144
GROUP 8 SLOW SLUGGISH DULL PERSONALITIES
11 21 30 31 36 46 51 56 61 76 81 91 106 116 101 146
GROUP 9 SERIOUS PERSONALITIES
12 26 37 62 97 111 120 124 143
GROUP 10 STRONG FULL OF ENERGY
121 122 131
GROUP 11 DIFFIDANT (shy, not able to ask even the most required thing…..
etc..)
18 19 23 33 34 38 43(34) 48 58 63(34) 69 83 84(38) 93 104(34) 108 113
118(34) 129 133 149
read the following before proceeding
the last group is bigger and within the group itself a small subgrouping is done- the
no. in the bracket is the parent question to which the no outside the bracket belongs
to- hope u understand
strictly- this may not be 100 % right as many questions look very similar. So go thru
and make alterations if u feel so.
in each groups there r 2 kinds of questions- if u say yes to some and no to others u
will land up at the same definition. So its ur common sense to understand the
affirmative and negative tones of each question and answer accordingly- u shld know
when to answer no and yes for each question in the same groupsome
groups itself are opposite to each other and can be grouped together- but I
have separated them on the basis of finer inferences eg:- serious persons cant be
easy going type. if u say no to any question on serious group question u will land as
an easygoing personality and vice versa- so they can be put under a single group- but some finer points prevent from doing so

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